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Founder or Flounder?

“Ummm, errrr. . . .is her campaign foundering or floundering?” I asked my very-intelligent-almost-a-doctor friend and she matter of factly and crisply said that it could be either, her campaign may be gasping and dying like a fish out of water, or approaching failure.

Don’t you wish you knew all those things? I do. I have to look them up all the time.

Founder has a lot of meanings. The one I was looking for is in bold type:

founder
n 1: inflammation of the laminated tissue that attaches the hoof
to the foot of a horse [syn: {laminitis}]
2: a person who founds or establishes some institution; “George
Washington is the father of his country” [syn: {beginner},
{founding father}, {father}]
3: a worker who makes metal castings
v 1: fail utterly; collapse; “The project foundered” [syn: {fall through}, {fall flat}, {flop}]
2: sink below the surface
3: break down, literally or metaphorically; “The wall
collapsed”; “The business collapsed”; “The dam broke”;
“The roof collapsed”; “The wall gave in”; “The roof
finally gave under the weight of the ice” [syn: {collapse},
{fall in}, {cave in}, {give}, {give way}, {break}]

4: stumble and nearly fall; “the horses foundered”

Flounder also has a lot of meanings:

A fish with a flattened body adapted for life on the seafloor.
http://www.reefed.edu.au/glossary/f.html
i) A small edible flatfish, ii)any small flatfish of the family Pleuronectidae or Bothidaes.
http://www.mi.mun.ca/mi-net/terms/nautical.htm
from flounce and founder
encyclopedia.kids.net.au/page/li/List_of_portmanteaus
a flat, bony saltwater fish which lives in bays and coastal waters. They are carnivores eating shrimp, small fish and crabs and are eaten by larger fish. Flounder is considered a popular food fish for people. …
http://www.lakeland.k12.in.us/limabrighton/nctrip07/glossary.html

stagger: walk with great difficulty; “He staggered along in the heavy snow”

any of various European and non-European marine flatfish

behave awkwardly; have difficulties; “She is floundering in college”
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Flounder are flatfish that live in ocean waters ie., Northern Atlantic and waters along the east coast of the United States and Canada, and the Pacific Ocean, as well. The name “flounder” refers to several geographically and taxonomically distinct species. …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flounder

Flounder is an Disney character that appeared in Disney’s The Little Mermaid. He is Ariel’s best friend. Ironically, he is not a flounder, but is more similar in appearance to a Regal Tang or similar fish.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flounder (The Little Mermaid)

I guess I can use either floundering or foundering, but now that I think of it, floundering will always remind me of a big flat fish, so I think I will try to think of founder.

February 23, 2008 - Posted by | Friends & Friendship, Language, Political Issues, Words

3 Comments »

  1. this has always been one of my difficulties. I have a mental picture, every time they use flounder, of a fish with its last gasping breaths. Like a bank floundering (this one should be foundering)I see a bunch of money people with gasping fish mouths. This one annoys me as much as accept vs except when it is used incorrectly.

    momcat's avatar Comment by momcat | February 23, 2008 | Reply

  2. How about affect/effect and anxious/eager? 😛

    intlxpatr's avatar Comment by intlxpatr | February 24, 2008 | Reply

  3. Very interesting debate here, I’ve always heard it as flounder.. didn’t even know that founder meant to almost fail.

    equine laminitis's avatar Comment by equine laminitis | September 2, 2009 | Reply


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